The Anti-American Left (like Hillary) does not support the Troops!
Aug 13th 2005MichaelAnti-America
Organizers of next month’s planned antiwar demonstrations yesterday criticized media organizations, including The Washington Post, for co-sponsoring with the Department of Defense an event to remember the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks and to support the troops in Iraq.
See, The truth is out there, you just have to dig for it.
Yesterday, some of those critics said media support for the Pentagon event undercuts their credibility in covering the controversial war as well as reporting on antiwar efforts.
They have credibility? with who? Must be the Terrorists.
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11 Responses to “The Anti-American Left (like Hillary) does not support the Troops!”
LadyPhoenix on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 08:13:57 #
I love how you quote bits and pieces that support only your view. I have the deepest respect for the soldiers of our nation, and I owe them a debt of gratitude that I will never be able to pay, I’m sure.
However, the fact that you leave out completely the point in the article that the Pentagon is putting on a rally to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS on September 11 makes absolutely no sense. Our military was not involved in what happened on September 11.
This administration has gone out of its way to make sure that, on some subconscious level, we associate the war in Iraq with what happened on September 11. This is a very bad propaganda practice. And it’s something I will not support. If it was really in the interest of the families of September 11, they’d be making sure these people got the millions of dollars that we gave to them to help them out, which they haven’t seen a penny of FOUR years later.
I am very much against the war in Iraq. While I understand and accept that because we’ve gotten involved, we are now committed until the end, I still disapprove of the reasons we went to war to begin with. Don’t for a second thing that I am not patriotic. Being patriotic and loving your country extends up to and often exceeds questioning those in power, especially if you believe that they are hurting our country. That, my friend, is real patriotism.
And before you even think that thought, I was all ready to be shipped off to the Air Force before I found out I was pregnant. I would serve our country just as willingly as you or anyone else would. But that will never change the fact that I do not like our President or anyone in his cabinet, and I do not agree with their policies regarding this war.
Michael on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 08:46:37 #
LadyPhoenix,
“Our military was not involved in what happened on September 11″- Do you know what you just said?
Look at these pictures of the Pentagon and tell me our troops were not involved.
It is your opinion, wrong as it may be. seems to me you’re letting your hatred of the administration run over into hatred of the troops because they are doing what they were ordered to do. The Pentagon co-sponsoring a SUPPORT THE TROOPS rally is one of the many things it should do. this is specifically so that the lefts does not get to spit on the troops when they get back. I have seen already the left calling the troops baby killers, murderers and the like.
The Pentagon is not having a support the president rally.
Support the Toops
Selfprodigy on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 10:36:32 #
I support the troops… In fact, I care for them so deeply I want to get them the fuck out of Iraq. Since we’ve been in Iraq there have been 100 suicide attacks. If you were to look up how many they had before we got there you would find that there weren’t any at all. We have taken what was a semi-productive nation and turned into an all out war zone. Who has to deal with the administration’s blunders? We do on some level but our troops over there deal with it more and more everyday.
I’m sure none of them would be disappointed if we were to remember the victims of September 11th, without staging a pro war demonstration. While we are doing that maybe we can take a moment to think… so deeply that we get a moment of clarity, and remember that it was 15 Saudi’s that allegedly attacked our nation. From what I remember Bin Laden and his refugees were all hiding in caves in Afghanistan. At least that’s what our loyal media stations reported, right?
Considering, we were attacked by Bin Laden and his crew… And taking in account that Iraq has never attacked us, why the hell would we have a pro-war movement on September 11th. This country we have overthrown had absolutely nothing to do with those burning images of the pentagon. Saddam Hussein didn’t arm and train these so called “freedom fighters.†He didn’t ask them for help or try to provide them with anything. From what I can remember it was the Reagan Administration that armed and trained them. And it was the Bush family giving them political connections in exchange for billions of dollars.
So if you hate this administration it does not automatically mean you hate the troops. You want to fight terror, then maybe it’s time to get these conservatives out of office.
LadyPhoenix on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 10:46:08 #
Two things:
1) Show me one picture of the plane that hit the Pentagon, I really want to see one. The only pictures that were released to the media were pictures of the building smoking. Not to mention that the part of the Pentagon that was affected by this attack was blocked off because it was under construction. So if anyone was killed it was civillian construction workers, not our soldiers.
2) How could any sane person say that what posted up there would make anyone think that I didn’t support the troops. I most definately agree that they are just doing what they were ordered to do. I despise what happened to the soldiers that came back from Vietnam. And there’s a difference here, the men who fought in Vietnam were CONSCRIPTED, they had no choice but to join the military. The soldiers that are in Iraq right now are all volunteer. But you know, that doesn’t even really matter. Again, I am very supportive and very greatful for my country’s troops and what they do to preserve our nation.
What I’m not supportive of is an administration that takes the men who joined the service to defend our nation locally, being sent to a foreign land with little or no training and inadequate supplies. It’s a gross misuse of our military, and that is what I don’t appreciate. The soldiers themselves have nothing to do with that, I can’t hold it against them, unless, of course, they voted for Bush… I blame every person who voted that man back into office for the state of our military and the poor condition of the Iraqi nation.
Michael on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 11:17:16 #
Selfprodigy, You just don’t get it. You can’t suppor the troops while at the same time not supporting what they are doing. You don’t have to support the President like I do. You don’t have to like the war, Everyone that has been in a war hates it. but like most vets we believe the cause is freedom which will provide safty for our families.
It is what you do because you hate the administration that shows how you do not support the troops. Saying it does not make it true.
Michael on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 12:01:06 #
LadyPhoenix,
so because you don’t have a picture of the plane you don’t believe that it was a plane? nice argument.
Check out this site http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/Cnn1.Pentagon.Jamie.Mcintyre.swf
check here http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon-victims.htm
for a list of who died in the Pentagon. Your facts are wrong you assume more than you know. It is your responsibility to dig and find the truth not just to spout the anti-American version that you are programmed to repeat. Question me also, that is fine, but expect it back also.
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/14/story23734.asp is the finding of the black box…it must be a fraud also… how about this one? http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
I understand that there are questions that you would like to have answered but stop the conspiracy theories or some alien is going to come get you…bah.
As to your argument on the propose of the military. When I joined the Military I did not do it to defend our nation locally. That just does not make sense. If that was the case I would have joined the Police or I could have thought of the National Guard that way but they would have corrected me because even the National Guard has done service overseas. You can not be a isolationists when it comes to military maters while being a internationalist in others when it is convenient. As far as training, your just being ignorant. Of course there was training. Did it cover every aspect of the war and what might happen, NO, how could it? The argument is flawed.
And once again we are back to the fact that you don’t like or support he military because they voted for Bush. Well most of us like our President and what he has done for our country. That is why the left has tried to keep the military vote from happening.
LadyPhoenix on 14 Aug 2005 at Sun 14 August 2005 14:40:14 #
Why did you just post a bunch of web addresses of articles and a video that totally proved my point, that I seriously don’t think that a jumbo jet crashed into the side of the pentagon… I don’t get why you’re arguing for me.
If you couldn’t tell, I was referring to the National Guard who was being sent to Iraq, not the Army Regulars.
Also, I can not believe that you can take a comment where I said I blame everyone who voted for Bush for what’s going on in Iraq, as I hate the troops because they voted for Bush. One more time… A little slower for those who are hard of hearing… Yes, the troops overseas in Iraq and Afganistan did not (for the most part) volunteer with the thought “I want to go get blown up by a suicide bomber in the middle east.” The fact that they were put in the middle of all that is the fault of the ADMINISTRATION. I think the reason why we were involved in Iraq was totally bogus, and I do not support the REASONS for which our President led us into this. I want my soldiers to come home safe and sound, I want them to not have to fight a war that is unjustifiable. I SUPPORT MY TROOPS. I want to see them win whatever battle their in. What citizen of any country would want to see their own country lose a battle?
Hehehe, you want to talk about votes. Let’s talk about votes. Let’s talk about how misteriously thousands of voters were robbed of their vote in Florida because their names were similar (not the same as) a convicted felon. Often times the race didn’t match, even the gender at times didn’t match, but they were still turned away. Why? Because the people that paid the company that compiled that the felon list told them not to verify the information. The company told them, “Look, thousands of people might be disenfranchised here.” And the elections people in Florida (and we know who those people are) said, “Don’t worry about it.” It is their problem. I have never seen any liberal try to keep an absentee ballot from being counted. The ones they tried to keep from being counted were the ones dated AFTER THE CUTOFF DATE, and postmarked AFTER THE CUTOFF DATE. Those ballots, by law, were not legal votes. BY LAW, plain and simple. That’s what happened. I’d be happy to dig up facts about all that if you like.
Either way you cut it, I love my troops, again, I was set to serve our country in the AIR FORCE REGULARS, not the reserves, not the “texas air national guard.” I love and deeply appreciate our troops, I don’t love and appreciate the people who misuse them for their own political and financial gain.
Seth on 15 Aug 2005 at Mon 15 August 2005 15:03:11 #
Selfprodigy:
A semi-productive nation? WTF?
Iraq was an oppressive dictatorship in which innocent citizens were tortured or executed with little or no provocation and the majority of the population were religiously and financially oppressed. Saddam murdered millions of his own civilians.
The bombings that have ‘only occurred’ since we arrived have been perpetrated by terrorists(most of whom weren’t/ aren’t Iraqis) who, like you, don’t want to see Iraq enjoy the same freedoms you and I do here in America{assuming you are in America}. The vast majority of Iraqis are grateful to us for liberating them, suicide bombers notwithstanding.
So what’s yer pernt?
Lady Phoenix, did you mean to infer that Bush blew up a large chunk of the Pentagon for some sinister purpose of his own?
Boy, “No WMD, No airplane sticking out of the Pentagon, No…”
Seth on 15 Aug 2005 at Mon 15 August 2005 15:15:47 #
I have never seen, until Nov 2000, people who lost an election try to SUE to win it in court.
And Bush was REelected last year, which means that the majority of Americans wanted him to continue leading our country. You’ll also notice that the American people also elected a majority of Republicans to Congress and–gasp!–even governorships.
Those folks in Florida must be awesome if they can accomplish all that.
Thank you for a most entertaining day.
LadyPhoenix on 17 Aug 2005 at Wed 17 August 2005 07:33:02 #
—–With regard to Iraq being a semi-productive nation, they have the second largest oil fields in the world. They had a good amount of revenue.
—–With regard to Saddam killing his own people, the people that he attacked were people within his borders that declared him their most hated enemy. They were not his people; they were radicals who opposed his rule. While I don’t agree with his style of government, and I do believe that he was a bad man and that he oppressed *his* people, he did not murder his own people, much less millions of them. I don’t know where you got the figure millions.
—–The terrorists that are bombing us in Iraq were pretty fairly spread across the Muslim world. We attacked a sovereign nation who our own military intelligence just months before claimed was incapable of developing WMDs or nuclear weapons. Saddam hadn’t been a threat to us or any of his neighbors or ANYONE since mid to late nineties. Our own people made public statements to that effect. However, the radical Muslims that are doing the suicide bombings in Iraq are the same radical Muslims that were pissed off the last time we invaded the middle east when we stationed troops in Mecca and Medina. They’ve been agitated and violent toward us for years, this is their newest excuse, and we’ve made it easy for them to target us. It has very little to do with Iraq being a free nation, it has everything to do with their vendetta against Americans for imposing our morals and values on and stomping all over the faith of most of the middle east.
—–The Iraqi people may very well be relieved that they are no longer under Saddam’s rule. But don’t for a second think that they want us to be there. But they are terrified to even leave their houses anymore for fear of being caught up in the crossfire of insurgents and American troops. Don’t even for a second try to convince me that they want us there. They suffer our presence because they know it would be a hundred times worse if we weren’t there, but that doesn’t mean they like us.
—–With regard to our President being involved in 9/11, I have found nothing that ties him to it, no matter how deep I dig, and I assure you I dig pretty deep. Plus, the look on his face when he was in that school and found out what had happened was utter shock and terror. I don’t believe he knew what was going to happen before it happened. However, I do not believe that what happened at the Pentagon was a crash of a 757. The Washington Post reported, “…An hour after the attacks against the World Trade Center in New York, a hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 from Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles, CA crashed into the helicopter landing pad on the west side of the Pentagon..;†Upon further investigation I found out that (courtesy of wikipedia.com) “…Flight 77 was a morning flight that routinely flew from Washington Dulles International Airport in Fairfax and Loudoun Counties, Virginia, near Washington DC, to LAX in Los Angeles, California (IAD-LAX). On September 11, 2001, the Boeing 757-223, N644AA, was hijacked as part of the 9/11 attacks….†Now, for my own edification, since I had never personally flown on a 757 (I’ve been on the smaller 727, and a 1011), I looked for photos of Boeing 757 jets to get an idea what they looked like, how big they were, things like that. Those photos can be found at http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Boeing%20757-200%20(C-32)&distinct_entry=true (to enlarge, just click on the picture). There are many questions I have with regard to that incident. One is: How on god’s green earth did the most videotaped place in the country produce NO videos of the plane itself on its approach? The second is: The video that we did see was of a smoking Pentagon. From all angles that we saw that building smoking, there was NO VISIBLE EVIDENCE of a huge Boeing 757. Now, the video we saw was of a still SMOKING building, meaning that there was no way that anyone walked up in there and moved the fuselage, the landing gear, the wings, the visible debris away before those videos were taken. How is this? Now, tell me there are eyewitness accounts. There are eyewitness accounts of UFOs. We need to be taking into account that people don’t always know what they are looking at. I have no doubt that something flew into the Pentagon, but I highly doubt it was a 757.
—–I’m going to wait until a later date to address shady elections, if you all would like to hear that. This post has become quite long enough, for now.
Selfprodigy on 23 Aug 2005 at Tue 23 August 2005 02:07:38 #
Seth you took one statement out of what I said “A semi productive nation†and asked what the fuck? Well let me give you a moment of my time to reflect on your paragraph about this one little statement. If they weren’t at least semi productive how could they have nuclear weapons?
If they were so financially oppressed why did they have so many schools, and hospitals getting in the way of our bombs?
You are right about one thing though the bombings have “only occurred†since we have arrived. Now we are dropping bombs, and terrorists from around the Middle East come in and launch a series of suicide attacks against us. They weren’t there before we got there…. So do you think it’s because they don’t want to see the Iraqis free or maybe just maybe it’s because of our meddling.
Next, how the hell do you know the “vast majority of Iraqis are grateful to us� We bomb half their cities, kill countless numbers of innocent civilians, and take control of their oil fields. This is supposed to make a majority happy with us. Did fox news tell you they were happy…? Maybe they showed the 20 or so people knocking down the statute when they gave you that statement. Or maybe they showed you the sweet little pictures of soldiers giving candy to the little kids on the side of the road. Sadly, they didn’t show you the husband carrying home their dead mother half a mile up because, the napalm was off target.
So, on to your last question, what’s my point? Well, my original point was, I’d like to see my friends and family members serving in Iraq come home from this needless war. The fact that I question this administration and their course of action does not mean I don’t care about my people fighting over there.
There are 30 oppressive dictators on the earth right now 3 of which actually have nuclear weapons, none of which have an oil field. We were told we were going to war to stop a threat of nuclear weapons, not to remove a dictator. There are worse dictators in the world with nuclear capabilities i.e.; North Korea why didn’t we hit them first?
“Iraq was an oppressive dictatorship in which innocent citizens were tortured or executed with little or no provocation and the majority of the population were religiously and financially oppressed.†So Seth, WTF is your point????