You don’t read Miranda rights to barbarians
Sep 16th 2006RavenPolitics & Raven & Religion of Peace & War
John McCain is coming to my state this weekend (NH) and he is the subject of much talk here. Many GOP minded folk just don’t think he has what it takes to be our next President. I have to agree. We all respect his service in Vietnam, and the horror he endured while being held as a POW.
U.S. Sen. John McCain is due in New Hampshire this weekend and we somehow don’t think it is just to watch the NASCAR race in Loudon, as great an event as that surely is.
Sen. McCain comes here because he wants to be our next President. But the question is being asked, in the midst of the most difficult and challenging war we have ever faced, can the nation afford a President McCain?
No. I don’t think we can afford McCain as President. Why? Because he is still living in the 1960’s. He sees all enemies as he saw the VC. The new enemy is much worse and wants to take out America.
This is a new kind of war waged by a ruthless, extremist enemy that cares nothing for Geneva Convention niceties. The enemy is out to impose its religious views on the western world in general and the United States in particular and it attacks innocent women and children as well as our men and women in uniform. And if the latter are taken prisoner, they are burned, butchered or beheaded.
We cannot treat these enemies with kid gloves and respect and cookies and milk. We have to be as ruthless and determined with them, as they are to us.
Sen. McCain is fighting the wrong war when he equates stateless Islamic jihadists with nations with whom we have fought in the past. You don’t read Miranda rights to barbarians or worry about “what the world thinks” when you are fighting an enemy that is out to destroy you. If McCain can’t understand that, New Hampshire citizens must question why they should support him for President.
Exactly. It’s high time we stop worrying about what the WORLD thinks, because WE are the target (right now). The free world is not (yet). McCain doesn’t get it. And I don’t think he ever will.
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30 Responses to “You don’t read Miranda rights to barbarians”
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 07:27:19 #
it is this attitude (yours) that has the world at war with no end in sight.
Even though we are challenged by an enemy that is hard to define, find and defeat, we should not forfeit our principles as human beings.
Brute force is a fool’s response to terrorism and only digs our hole deeper…. but so far… the overwhelming evidence that points to that is ignored by people like you…
So while the world burns, and people like you get your gasoline, the world we leave our children becomes more dangerous.
thanks for nothing, cretin.
Raven on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 08:21:15 #
Yes James you are quite correct. The world at war? I think you have some facts wrong; as I see it the US is at war with Islamafreakoids- because people like YOU are too chicken shit to fight– people such as yourself - peace loving at all costs- that enables and emboldens the enemy to commit worse acts each time. The only evidence I can go by my dear, is history- appeasement didn’t work to prevent the World Wars; it won’t work now.
And I drive a gas guzzler and I’m proud of it.
Michael on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 08:26:22 #
I always say get violent enough, quick enough!
Pull your head out of your ass and look at the real world. These shit birds want to KILL Americans! I don’t want to make them my friends, I want to destroy them.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 08:47:59 #
Not chicken shit at all… I supported bombing Afghanistan…
The problem is that you are eqaul to the terrorists in your radicalism.
Really, you will never see it becuase you are an ignorant ass, but you ARE the problem… YOU are the root of terrorism. But, becuase you are blinded by your hatred and machismo, you do not see the impact of your radicalism.
There is no difference between you and and a wild-eyed Islamic radical, you just live in different parts of the world.
So, if you want to solve the problem with violence, kill yourself and the world will be a safer place.
Raven on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 09:22:57 #
Oh James you live in a world full of illusions and white doves/flags.
Kill myself? No. I love life. All life.
Unlike the Islamafreakoids, who hate life- esp. my life and Michael’s life and YOUR life; our kids, our families, friends…just being American is enough of an excuse for these freaks to kill us.
I too, would kill them in instant. Indeed. To save even one life of those who WANT to live. Including you. That’s the difference between you and me- you don’t see me as being worthy of much. You call me names and attack Michael as if we are the terrorist.
In case you don’t know- I haven’t beheaded anyone. I haven’t killed anyone. But they have. By your definition, wanting to live equates being radical.
Go fuck yourself with your own limp dick and enjoy it.
You’ll be the first to die in an attck because you have no balls to fight back. You deserve what you get.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 09:43:47 #
That is where you are so wrong.
I am not about “doves” anymore than you are about the Koran.
The thing is this… it is not BEING Americans that make people want to kill us.. it is the actions of Americans like YOU that got us here. The actions of poeple like YOU got us to this place.
…and who are the chicken shits here? Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
So thanks to you ignorant fucks, the world is in a worse place than ever.
Our response to 9-11 was, and continues to be a misguided, murderous misadventure with NO HOPE of success.
I love when you dumb fucks say shit like “I too, would kill them in instant. Indeed. To save even one life of those who WANT to live. Including you.”… like you are some hero. You are NOT A HERO… you are a dangerous radical.
And for making this world MORE dangerous for my children FUCK YOU.
You supported the Iraq invasion? Then you ARE as bad as the followers of Bin Laden! Don’t you see it?
Your sophomoric “tributes” on the left hand side of this screen are the SAME propoganda that terrorists use to rally THEIR radicals.
You are not a hero. You are part of the damn problem.
By supporting the Iraq invasion, yes, you have beheaded many. But instead of actually helping ANYONE, you sit at your fucking computer and sound tough.
You’re not tough. You are a pussy… a big mouthed pussy to afraid of actually confronting how HE HIMSELF is aiding the destruction of civilization.
I know war… more than you could possibly imagine. I have seen it the effects firsthand… so do not accuse me of being a chicken shit…
You and those blinded fucks like you are dangerous radicals.. no different than the scumbags that burn American flags and give their children hatred filled slogans to parade on the streests of Iran.
No different than them, you are the enemy of America. You are the enemy of God.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 09:52:07 #
I never said you were “mean”.
I said you are approaching a problem with misguided machismo.
As far as leaving my email address here, I am not giving a radical my email address anymore than you would give yours to a wild-eyed freak like you.
America IS worth fighting for … I LOVE MY COUNTRY… but I hate Americans LIKE YOU….
FUCKING MOVE TO IRAQ you big talking ass. GO kill some of these ‘terrorists’.
You have never held a gun in war time in your life… you would shake like a maple leaf ready to fall in the backyard of your safe NH home.
Big words from a washed up never was soldier.
Michael on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 09:57:03 #
James is not even brave enough to put his real fucking email address on his comments. How leftist. James you fucking little bytch.
While I would fight for your right to say and do stupid things, it doesn’t mean I can’t respond to your ignorant comments or tell you what I think of you.
These people want to destroy America and the freedoms she represents; they want to kill people that don’t live by their Islamic laws. They kill people without regard to who they are because of religion. It is commanded to them by the Koran. .
Hell the Shia’s constantly fight the Sunni and call each other infidels all because two brothers had different interpretations of the Koran.
Someone has to fight for America because it is worth fighting for. Why do you want to allow these groups of thugs take over America, they would kill your type first because they don’t see any value in weakness. You can not teach them to love your way of life, It is against their religion. Open up your eyes.
It is people like you that weakened America so much that these animals believed they could attach us and our allies without retaliation. Strength is the only thing they understand. Fear is the only way to stop them from attaching us again.
Saying it is because of us is plan stupid. You watch to much TV and believe it all as fact. Go out into the world and see the real facts, don’t’ believe what the news says without evidence behind it.
Make a real argument or come up with a plan and lets debate the merits of it instead of the simple myth that we are just mean.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 09:59:47 #
I never said you were “meanâ€.
I said you are approaching a problem with misguided machismo.
As far as leaving my email address here, I am not giving a radical my email address anymore than you would give yours to a wild-eyed freak like you.
America IS worth fighting for … I LOVE MY COUNTRY… but I hate Americans LIKE YOU….
FUCKING MOVE TO IRAQ you big talking ass. GO kill some of these ‘terrorists’.
You have never held a gun in war time in your life… you would shake like a maple leaf ready to fall in the backyard of your safe NH home.
Big words from a washed up never was soldier.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 11:24:11 #
Hilarious… I love how radicals like you always assume that you have the “real facts” (by the way, idiot, that is redundant)
You assume that all the negative news coming out of Iraq orAfghanistan is biased because of some liberal bias in the media.
Here are some facts for you:
The world is NOT safer after the fall of Hussein
Bush’s war has now killed more Americans than 9-11
War in Iraq has made it impossible for us to contain Iran
People like you have made us LESS SAFE
Do
You
Understand that yet?
YOU ARE HURTING OUR COUNTRY
Tell me,… why do you hate America?
Kender on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 11:47:16 #
James, you just remember to give that argument that it wasn’t you when they come to saw off your head……or would be happy with the title of dhimmi……those that would lose liberty for security you know.
Asshat.
Raven on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 14:04:52 #
People on the left, like James, don’t believe America is worth anything. They do nothing but complain about everything; they feel entitled to things they should be working for; they love countries like France and Canada- where socialism is THE WAY.
Then they spit and spew hatred and blame this country for all the world’s problems. Leftists truly believe that having an “open dialog” solves every issue, every demand, every threat. They do not believe in evil. Not in the religious manner either (good vs. evil). They disregard history, try to re-write it, try to alter it, try to teach it incorrectly to our young.
James I bet you wouldn’t lift a sore finger to defend anyone would you? You wouldn’t even defend yourself. You don’t deserve to be an American my friend. But we will defend you and if need be, kill those who want your head- so that you may continue to dish out your anti American bull. Hope you’re proud.
Seth on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 17:22:45 #
This James character has serious issues. Wherever they’re storing him, I’m surprised inmates have Internet access privileges.
Raven on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 17:24:24 #
It seems that James is a pussy. He removed his comments. That’s ok - I have them recorded and I think they will make a great post about how the left thinks. And, his comments left here remind me why I hate liberal men.
Michael on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 20:00:57 #
James is a misguided fucktwad, your try to make an argument with hatred of Bush, it is all consuming.
Your a pathetic little man (if your a man that is).
If you said “I don’t see the point in America going to Iraq†we could debate the topics and issues but your to consumed with hatred of Bush and everything American.
I happen to think while it was a hard thing to do it is worth it and will be worth it when it is over.
You can go FUCK YOURSELF you spineless little piss boy..
You spend to much time believing only what you hear in the press. Try talking to people (more than 10) who have been in Iraq for any period of time. While it is a shit hole, the mission is the mission. You fucking cut and run shit bird.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 20:20:03 #
I never removed anything (nor could I)… you so-called lovers of liberty removed my posts… then put them back up after I accused you of censorship.
You folks are the radicals here. Not me. Nothing I have said is “Anti-American” you just assume it is because you do not agree with it. That is the definition of a radical.
Look, if solving the world’s ills was as easy as “kill em all, let god sort em out” I would be first in line to pull the trigger… but it’s not.
You cannot kill off terrorists… terrorism is a TACTIC not a people or a system of government, or even a belief system…. it is not a country that can be defeated. It cannot be defeated… not possible.
The more you kill innocent people and the more you bomb countries with no provocation, the more you foment radicalism. That would be true anywhere.
If Canada invaded us tomorrow (yeah, makes me laugh too) and started invading YOUR homes and killed people you loved with stray bombs, each one of you would vow revenge…. you would most likely join a militia to kill Canadians out of rage… you would become what we call an insurgent…. a terrorist.
We cannot win what we have started, and no amount of blogging bravado can change that.
My beef with the guys on this board is most of you have NOT seen war…. you do not understand our enemy … and you have given no true thought how to actually, truly make this world safer. You have simply REACTED with a spirit of vengenace. This is not smart, and it is dangerous.
Brute force has its place, but it cannot be the only solution. We need to understnad that our actions beget REactions that are beyond our control…
Simplistic, violent actions WILL breed the same.
This is not WWII as the original post said… this is something much more insidious, and it requires using our fucking heads…. not just our fists.
however, deaf ears are slow to hear.
James on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 20:26:01 #
Michael… how is anything I have said hatred of AMERICA?
I love this country.
I disagree with you, but that does not make me anti-American, it makes me anti-you, perhaps, but certainly not anti-American.
-S- on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 22:38:52 #
I just wandered over here while checking links on the Rocky Mountain Blogroll (Friends of) (hi), and found this interesting thread.
Raven, I agree with you. McCain continues to display some troubling confusions of perspective that suggests to me that, unfortunately, he’s been influenced by his prison-of-war experience toward one who is sympathetic by auto-set to the position of the enemy. It would not be the first time this has happened and it certainly is a psychological affliction that besets many who experience torture and/or terrorism (including victims of kidnapping and domestic violence): they become protective by one degree or another of their captors and become critical of themselves and those who attempt to help them (they blame themselves, not their captors).
I also find this criticism by mostly Democrats and RINOs such as McCain — that “people don’t like the U.S.” or similar (”we’re losing popularity!”) — to be foolish to the point of futility.
The situation with terrorism isn’t one of popularity nor the possibility of ever being acceptable (”popular”) to those who despise the U.S. Did appeasing Castro ever work toward anything that was beneficial to the U.S.? No. Same with terrorist nations and related dictators, and the various terrorist groups who they encourage.
Many today in the West are not capable of accepting or understanding depravity that exists in other parts of our world and even in the U.S. in various areas among various problematic groups.
The point is, do we really ever WANT to be “popular” and “liked” by terrorists? Is it even important? If it is, why is it and to whom is this a concern? Every time I hear Ted Kennedy opine, or Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid, I get the idea that the Left is captured in some sympathy-for-the-devil syndrome that thinks a hug and an apology and more funding from U.S. taxpayers is going to make the U.S. “safe” and “well liked.” They certainly are not speaking nor behaving like people who are concerned for survival but that’s literally what it’s come to today in reference to terrorists today: how soon they can destroy the United States if they can’t capture it.
The Left does not understand that, or, they understand and are efforting to “help that” happen.
Michael on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 23:53:42 #
James, thanks for the lesson, I don’t give a damn about what you think or say, you don’t matter. You don’t know crap from the donkeys ass you have your head up.
I do know these fucks and the only thing they respect is strength. Of which you have none. I know that first hand to use your phrase. I have been there and got the lousy shirt too. Your scholarly studies didn’t help you understand the real people in the middle east. It helped you feel good about yourself. But that is it.
If you would talk to anyone that has been in Iraq you would know that most of the work there is not trying to kill anyone, it is to stop these fucking terrorists from killing anyone. And a large part of that is building an infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Schools, libraries) to support the Iraqi people and help them move forward. It is about exporting Freedom, and teaching these people how to make a decision for them selves. You don’t know what is going on in Iraq because you have your head up you ass.
Fuck you and your grammar lesson. You don’t matter. You can be anti-me all you want, the only thing good about you is you can show the world (and my friends) how stupid you are in a public forum. and how your hatred of President Bush has over ridden all of your logic with pure emotions. What I think of you is that the best part of you ran down your mothers leg. You appeaser camel dung.
Michael on 16 Sep 2006 at Sat 16 September 2006 23:56:09 #
-S- thanks for stopping by, yes, the left is all emotion and popularity contests, they really do think that we can all just get along.. even when the Islamic extremists are killing us. But we should just send them flowers or something.
Raven on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 04:28:04 #
James- your comparison of Iraq with Canada is comical.
The fact that yoo equate insurgents with terrorists says a lot. Insurgents are terrorists- internal, trying to stir up hate and egg people on to do battle.
Iraq was not a nation of happy content people- as Canada is (for the most part). Iraq was led by a brutal dictator who messed with his own people- who gassed them, had them slautered if they spoke out against him. The voting, electing of “officals” over there was done on ballots that had ONE NAME on them. Some choice. For years many Iraqi’s WISHED the world would have come in to get rid of Saddam.
Speaking of the old man- his policies led to the current war. 17 UN resoltions- played with, ignored, altered. He had his chance. HE had plenty of time to stop the violence and deceptions. HE chose not to. After 9-11, we had choices to make. Our troops have found lots of mid level WMD; given a few more yrs and Saddam would have had the weapons to kill millions.
Like it or not, Iraq happened for a reason besides oil. It may not seem like it, but the Middle East is a better place now because people have FREEDOM. This is why we are seeing so many “insurgents/terrorists”- they are like ants. They don’t want freedom. They want blind submission to radical Islam.
We can’t keep making excuses for this shit.
Raven on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 04:35:08 #
James says:
“Michael… how is anything I have said hatred of AMERICA?
I love this country.
I disagree with you, but that does not make me anti-American, it makes me anti-you, perhaps, but certainly not anti-American.”
James, your ideas and thoughts are YOUR’s and no one will ever try to change them. But when you go around bashing US, which by the way YOU did with your first comment here– you add to being a threat to this country. How? Just by having the very thoughts you have. I give up trying to share my opinions with people like you because YOU DID BASH me, you continue to knock Michael (who is a Marine BTW and has served)
Your thoughts uphold the liberal appeasement theory- which, as I have said here to you- doesn’t work. Go read history.
James on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 04:47:21 #
Hey… Raven… you really should stick to posting pictures of your tits on the internet.
**I was not comparing Iraq to Canada. I was using an example of an outside force invading the US, and how the bunch of illiterate rednecks who read this board would react.**
Our invasion of Iraq was a mistake, a poorly implmented one at that.
The middle east is not better off, though your FOX TALKING POINTS may tell you otherwise.
You kind of people have created the terrorists, you can’t see it, sadly, but you have and continue to do so… and the course of action you endorse here (wildly throwing fists at the world) only plays into the hands of those that wish to draw us into battle.
You can’t win this type of war the way the white trash, Nascar crowd of this board likes to pretend they can. And that is being proven everyday in Iraq.
I wish I were wrong.
James on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 05:05:30 #
Raven said:
“James, your ideas and thoughts are YOUR’s and no one will ever try to change them”
Oh, really??
“But when you go around bashing US, which by the way YOU did with your first comment here– you add to being a threat to this country. How? Just by having the very thoughts you have.”
See… therein lies the entire hypocrisy of radicals like you folks here. By bashing YOU, I am athreat to this country by having THOUGHTS that run counter to yours.
You people are JUST LIKE THE TERRORISTS. This is exaclty how the Taliban acts.
Just by having the very thoughts I have, Raven?
“Your thoughts uphold the liberal appeasement theory- which, as I have said here to you- doesn’t work. Go read history.”
No, my opinion is not appeasement. Torture does not work, Iraq was a fuck up and mindless violence begets the like.
I am glad we invaded Afghanistan, but we should have finished the job. Instead, you cowboy loving dipshits got us into Iraq, and we have destabilized the middle east even further.
It is not just about Bush, for me… it is about all you yahoos that have fucked up this planet even further with reactionary, nationalistic actions that only serve to make the world a more dangerous place.
Raven on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 05:30:26 #
No James- We did not create terrorists. WE did not give them the ideology of hate- the desire to force Islam upon all. WE did not do anything wrong and here is another difference. YOU BLAME AMERICA. I DON’T because America is the best nation, the best hope, this world has. You cannot admit that though can you?
America is the best. We give MORE than all and we should be respected. But people like you don’t. You say you love this country yet all you do is see the bad. You’re negative. Go live in France. You don’t deserve to be an American- you don’t deserve that at all. You’re an arrogant man (kid?).
I’ll stick to posting pics of my boobies- after all you spent over 17 hours looking at them. Look though.
Men like you would never have a chance with me. You make me sick and you turn me off.
Don’t say you weren’t warned about being an ass here.
I don’t like banning but you’re asking, begging for that.
Mustang on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 08:56:43 #
The problem with folks like “James” is that they think WE created the war on terror. Now we can spend hours upon hours discussing the merit of our invasion of Iraq, but it won’t change anything. We did. We’re there. The solution? I don’t hear any solutions from the left other than “cut and run.” That would, in effect, deliver a clear victory to barbarians. So if we agree that we cannot allow them to defeat us, what is the next step? Solutions is what we need, not blathering.
The bad news is that we have entirely too many citizens and politicians like “James.” They will ultimately encourage another horrendous attack on our country.
Kender on 17 Sep 2006 at Sun 17 September 2006 08:57:12 #
James stupidly stated:
“You cannot kill off terrorists”
Yes, James, you can kill off terrorists.
As for why we went to Iraq, (since you are obviously oblivious to this thing called strategy) you should read this:
read this you moron
Ogre on 18 Sep 2006 at Mon 18 September 2006 08:53:47 #
Hey James, do you have anything other than name-calling and anti-American rhetoric to offer? You want to appease the terrorists. YOU want to sit back and let them take over the world. Apparently, you have no problem converting to Islam. Perhaps you have already converted to attempt to gain favor with your new overlords.
You are either a totally blinded fool, or a moron. You actually believe that Iraq was better off when one man was ordering and committing killing of thousands of innocents at a time. You think that Iraq was a better place when it’s own government was using chemical weapons on it’s own damn people.
You actually believe that America and dictators who kill on a whim are the same. You believe that a society that kills women who look at men wrong or wear the wrong clothes is equivalent to a free society.
Yes James, you ARE anti-American. You ARE filled with hatred. And you deserve less than what you get in a free country.
Dennis on 18 Sep 2006 at Mon 18 September 2006 16:44:42 #
I am offering James the following:
1. First class ticket one way to Pakistan where he can live and learn amongst his islamofacist brehteren.
2. Any and all help to sell and/or store any personal goods he has here in the United States of America
3. A limo ride to the airport
4. A swift kick in the ass through security with a 1 finger salute to send him on his way.
So what do you say James ole bean…u up for it?
Jim Kouri on 06 Oct 2006 at Fri 06 October 2006 19:45:15 #
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking — we can’t afford to have a Republican like McCain in the Oval Office.
Actually, I’m looking at a guy named John Cox who got a pretty good writeup in the Los Angeles Times — not a great writeup since the LA Times is a Democrat Party lapdog. Only do-nothings like Barak Obama get great writeups from the news media. Even some conservative pundits slobber all over him.
But Cox is a Reagan Conservative — remember them? He’s already airing TV spots in Iowa and New Hampshire and soon in South Carolina. (You can see them on his website: http://www.cox2008.com/video)
McCain and his own GOP lapdogs care more about the rights of terrorists than the rights of Americans. Where were these quys when the feds massacred men, women and children at Waco? I don’t recall McCain and Company fretting over their civil rights. I think burning people to death is more akin to torture than blasting Red Hot Chilli Peppers music or putting panties on the heads of Jihadists.