Human Life vs Human Rights
Mar 9th 2008RavenGWOT & Politics & Raven & War
The whining and temper tantrums have begun, again. In earnest.
WASHINGTON — Democrats and human rights advocates criticized President Bush’s veto Saturday of a bill that would have banned the CIA from using simulated drowning and other coercive interrogation methods to gain information from suspected terrorists.
Bush said such tactics have helped foil terrorist plots. His critics likened some methods to torture and said they sullied America’s reputation around the world.
Yeah…well our reputation is only as good as our ability to survive attacks and acts of war against us. Prior to 9-11-01, much of the world viewed the US as an impotent giant. Much to the Democrats and others’ pleasure.
“Were it not for this program, our intelligence community believes that al-Qaida and its allies would have succeeded in launching another attack against the American homeland,” the president said.
I agree. While some people cry like babies about how water boarding is harmful to human beings, I can only imagine what the people who were inside the WTC buildings were thinking on the morning of September 11 2001.
I dare to say, if they knew, they would have much preferred to be water boarded than pulverized to death in the collapse of those towers.
Heck, I bet they would have preferred we water boarded those 19 Islamafreakoids had we suspected such an attack was being plotted and soon carried out.
But who cares about them? Not Democrats. Or human rights advocates. Fuck no. A few thousand lives here and there are the price to pay for being…humane… and we should view these lives as an expendable price for human rights.
“The president’s refusal to sign this crucial legislation into law will undermine counterterrorism efforts globally and delay efforts to rebuild U.S. credibility on human rights,” said Elisa Massimino, Washington director for Human Rights First.
May I ask? Who the fuck gives a shit about the human rights of people who have no respect for humanity? When we are at a point in time where the rights of criminals and terrorists take precedent over their potential victims, we’re in sad times for sure.
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4 Responses to “Human Life vs Human Rights”
Gus on 10 Mar 2008 at Mon 10 March 2008 11:22:42 #
I don’t think it’s a question of whether or not waterboarding and stress positions are considered torture. Waterboarding has been officially deemed torture and the stress positions have been known to tear muscle tissue, ligaments, separate joints and on occasion break bones. They’re both torture.
The question is whether it should be okay to torture terrorists or not? We have to weigh the value of the information we can gather through these methods over what happens to Americans when other countries take U.S. prisoners.
I for one do not like in the least the methods we use to extract information. It’s torture. However, it has absolutely no impact on those who take Americans as prisoners. They do as they please with them no matter how kind and gentle we are.
If we were at war with a civilized nation that would respect Geneva Conventions I would be adamantly against the use of torture as a means of extracting information. However, we are not. We are at war with a group of religious zealots with no moral fortitude for those that consider us less than dogs.
Very reluctantly, I support the use of waterboarding and stress positions.
Raven on 10 Mar 2008 at Mon 10 March 2008 15:47:03 #
Well when the human body is pulverized, bones and limbs are sometimes left intact. Of course those who lived and then died on those flights on Sept 11th were burned to death quite rapidly…it’s not water boarding- it’s death in a violent manner. I am quite sure these souls would prefer to be tortured.
Gus on 13 Mar 2008 at Thu 13 March 2008 06:30:07 #
I know I’d rather have my shoulder dislocated due to a stress position rather than burned alive prior to being dropped a thousand feet into a jagged pile of molten metal rubble. I wouldn’t be happy about it, but it’d be a far cry better.
Raven on 13 Mar 2008 at Thu 13 March 2008 08:56:20 #
I cannot ever pretend to know what it must have been like to be in those buildings. Augh. Ugh. The thought does make me ill though..
Now I also cannot say that I know what WB is like either. From all accounts it’s not fun or pretty or elegant. It’s downright nasty…and scary and terrifying. Which makes it an excellent tool for interrogation IMO.